The Weed Killer in Your Food
Is the most widely used herbicide in the world silently destroying your health? In this eye-opening episode of the Holistic Navigator Podcast, we sit down with Howard Vlieger, independent crop and livestock nutrition advisor and farmer with over 30 years of frontline experience, to unpack the truth about glyphosate and what it's doing to your body, your gut, and future generations. Howard breaks down how glyphosate was originally developed as a pipe cleaner and chelator, how it disrupts the shikimate pathway in plants and gut bacteria, and why a tenth of a part per million is enough to wipe out beneficial bacteria like Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium.
We also cover the landmark 2013 pig study Howard helped conduct, the $11 billion Monsanto lawsuit settlement, the alarming multigenerational effects of pesticides, and the ongoing push to give chemical companies liability protection.
But this episode isn't doom and gloom. Howard introduces Firehawk Bio-Herbicide — a breakthrough natural weed killer made from nonanoic acid that kills weeds without harming your soil, your pets, or your children.
Some Points Discussed:
0:00 – Intro
1:35 – Why Glyphosate Is So Concerning
4:04 – What Is Glyphosate? From Pipe Cleaner to Herbicide
7:03 – How Glyphosate Actually Kills Plants (It's Not What You Think)
11:13 – The Monsanto Antimicrobial Patent & Gut Microbiome Destructio
13:48 – Glyphosate in Food & Water: You Can't Escape It
17:22 – The 168-Pig GMO vs. Non-GMO Study: Shocking Results
25:16 – Introducing Firehawk: A Safe, Natural Weed Killer
29:05 – The Monsanto Lawsuits & $11 Billion Settlement
39:28 – Protecting Children & Steps You Can Take Today
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47 years in the nutrition industry. And I've had many ups and downs and concerns about what produces poor health, how can we help ourselves to live a long life, free of disease. And very few things have concerned me as much for my grandkids, which I have three now, as the use of glyphosate. And I have with us today a true expert. Not only are we gonna talk about
things you need to know about the downsides of Waposea, but there's an alternative that has reached the market that I think is the possibility is it could change the whole focus and world of how those of us who are concerned can do better in our lives. You still can't run from it totally by any means, but Howard Vleger is with us today. He's a farmer in Idaho and Iowa, excuse me.
And I know of him through Amy, which is ⁓ one of our great customers and friends here who is very proactive and he is just traveling through. We have a blessing to have him here on this podcast. So welcome to this informational holistic navigator podcast, Howard. Thank you very much for the opportunity to be here with you today and share some information. You know, when you look and I really, really
value AI. do use it in a lot of my preparations and I don't use Google much and I, you know, access it probably 10 times a day. But there are certain conversations that are still, I don't want to use the word ⁓ influenced or manipulated, but when you type in, is glyphosate safe, AI seems to think it's relatively pretty darn safe. And I certainly
I that it alters the microbiome significantly. I know it has other issues that potentially can create lesser health and disease. You even mentioned before this, a kind of a study you did with pigs, you can explain it. But what I love is the fact that when you listen to this now, all of you, this is not about dooming loon. This is about an option to do better that you will be amazed at, an invention.
that truly can change the world. So first off, what is GlyphoSate? Well, I'd like to start with a short preface that, you know, what I say today is based on my experience, my opportunities, my learnings. I've been blessed to work with some of the top scientists of the world. And everything I say is my opinion. They're not, ⁓ it's not.
any policy or statement on the behalf of any entity. I'm an independent crop and livestock nutrition advisor. So glyphosate. ⁓ Glyphosate is the best known for being the active ingredient in Roundup herbicide and many generic forms of glyphosate based herbicides because the patent went off of
Roundup many years ago. And as a result, there are 50 plus generic forms of glyphosate based herbicide in the market. would a person know is glyphosate by the different names now, or would it be somewhat confusing? Well, very few of the labels will actually, or the names would actually say glyphosate. But you will see the active ingredient as glyphosate or a salt of glyphosate. So
Uh, as I said, there's at least 50 that I'm aware of, of generic versions of it. So, you know, the history on glyphosate, it was developed in the early 1950s and the gentleman that developed it didn't know what he had found necessarily. In 1964, Stauffer Chemical Company patented it as a broad spectrum chelator.
chelate is a Greek word meaning claw or to hold. Glyphosate is extremely effective at chelating calcium, magnesium, manganese, zinc, iron, copper, nickel, cobalt, boron, selenium, molybdenum and potassium. A minuscule amount of that compound will grab on to those elements and make them bio unavailable. It was first used as a pipe cleaner.
In that period of time in our country, the majority of the heating systems were boiler systems. Well, the scale or the mineral deposits in the water would build up inside the pipes and they literally ran the glyphosate through the pipe and it de-scaled the pipe, latching onto all those minerals and cleaning the pipes. Then in 1969, Monsanto discovered its capabilities as a herbicide and they filed a patent for it.
and put Roundup herbicide on the market in 1972. Does herbicide mean that it just kills weeds? What does herbicide really mean? Herbicide is herb, side, side means kill. Glyphosate is identified or glyphosate-based herbicides or Roundup are identified as non-selective herbicides. That means it's
And basically going to, ⁓ adversely affect any living planet touches. Okay. And this statement usually catches people that raises their eyebrows. Glyphosate technically doesn't kill weeds. It's the most widely used herbicide in the world, but there are two studies, well, more than two studies that have proven that glyphosate shuts down.
the plant's ability to grow in a non-technical way. In a technical way, it shuts down the EPS-PS enzyme at the start of the chicamate pathway. The way I describe that is, okay, the enzyme is like the toll booth and the pathway is the highway that you're going to travel on. Well, that chicamate pathway is where your growth hormones flow and where your enzymes and amino acids flow. So without the growth hormones, the plant can't grow.
without the enzymes and amino acids, can't protect itself. And humans had that same pathway. Yes, especially the gut bacteria. The humans themselves don't have it, but our gut bacteria have it. And to quote Dr. Huber and Dr. McNeil, they would say that in essence, you're giving the plant a bad case of AIDS.
when you spray it with glyphosate herbicide, you shut down its ability to grow and its ability to defend itself and a disease is actually what kills it. And this was first proven when Yuri Yohal did a study where he grew an edible bean in sterile soil and he sprayed it with Roundup and it didn't die. It just stopped growing for two weeks. And the reason it didn't die, because there was no opportunistic organisms in that soil to actually kill the plant.
And he repeated that study later on with Dr. Huber at Purdue. And then there was another researcher at Purdue by the name of Schaefer. She applied Roundup with a fungicide. Well, the fungicide neutralized the herbicidal effects because it was an opportunistic fungi on the soil that was responsible for killing the weed that she was testing on. So that again proved
that it is a disease that's killing the plant, not the herbicide. And Nethys does that kind of protocol to kill a plant, does it? Well, you know, that's a broad subject to, we probably don't have time for today. You have chelating herbicides that affect the type of certain nutrients to inhibit growth. You have the hormonal disruptors that may over-stimulate.
or under stimulate that the end result is death. You have the photosynthesis inhibiting mode of action. You'll have the contact products. different mechanisms. There's all different mechanisms. But again, the glyphosate is by far the most far reaching. But the point I want to bring out
is that when a weed is quote unquote resistant to glyphosate, it's not resistant to the glyphosate, it's become resistant to the disease that used to kill it. That's why there's the development of so many superweeds that don't die when you spray them with glyphosate. And the amaranth pigweed is one of the poster childs in our country. It used to be three foot tall and have a million or 300 or a hundred thousand seeds on it.
Well, today it may be six, eight feet tall and have 500,000 seeds on it. And Dr. Huber helped me understand that because of the mode of action of glyphosate and its anti-microbial effect, which Monsanto filed for a patent for that in 2003. And they were granted it and it was updated in 2010. And anyone can do that search on the U.S. Patent Office website.
type in patent number 777-1736 and it'll take you right to that patent and it shows all of the different microorganisms that are affected by glyphosate. Well, the ones that will catch your attention will be Lactobacillus, Enterococcus, Fecalis, Bifidobacteria, which are all extremely important for the gut health of any mammal and it kills it. It takes a very minuscule amount
of glyphosate residue to significantly reduce the population of those organisms. And we can thank Dr. Monica Kruger for that research. She did it in both chickens and dairy animals. A tenth of a part per million of glyphosate residue was all that was necessary to wipe out the lactobacillus, enterococcus, fecalis, and bifidobacteria, and simultaneously
it promotes your E. coli and your Clostridium and she documented the toxic co-infectious botulism as the end result of that minuscule amount of glyphosate residue. it's ⁓ the gift it keeps giving you might say. And anyone who's listening to this I'm sure is very well schooled and skilled in the fact that
that microbiome and exactly the probiotic compounds that you've mentioned are key players in our immune system. At least 60 % is produced by the healthy gut and brain chemicals, neurotransmitters, or it could be that or even more percentage. And then you talked about even the more prevalent prevalence of the E. coli and the C. diffs. I've never been in a time of being in my nutrition industry that I had more people with intestinal
You know stomach bugs than I have in the past five years I don't know if glyphosate is part of that or not But when you say minuscule amounts we are ingesting it when we eat the foods that have it to some degree or we really can't run from it if we can't wash it off can we? It's ubiquitous regrettably and and much of the water and food supply for numerous reasons and the
You know, the Seralini study, for example, they put a tenth of a part per billion in the water of the rats for a two-year time period. And it caused both liver and kidney issues. Wow. For the rats in that study. And non-alcoholic fatty liver disease was one of the issues that they documented as a result of that two-year study.
You know, we have 400, of average, 400 clients, people a day. have 17 practitioners here who practice ⁓ more of the holistic philosophies. We have pharmacists, we have nurse practitioners, we have PAs, all people who have kind of joined this green pharmacy philosophy. And we're seeing more fatty liver than we ever have. More people are man had a presence than has ever been in the history of mankind. There's not one reason for any really community type of
poor health, but this has to be a contributing factor, it seems. You told me before we started about some experiment you did with two pigs or with pigs. That was relative to GMO and non-GMO, corn and soy as feedstuffs. I've been blessed to work as a crop and livestock nutrition advisor since 1992 and working with producers all across the US and Canada.
Did you say earlier that you're a student of the soil back then? Yes. I love that statement. Student of the soil way before the word regenerative came out. Student of the soil in 1989 is when I became a student of the soil and I have no problem admitting the more I know, the more I know. don't know. The good Lord has given us an amazing creation to be caretakers of. And it's a never ending learning opportunity. Well, as a result of the work I was doing in the
crop and livestock nutrition advisory space, when the GMO crops came on the market in 1996, there was a very aggressive marketing approach. And I saw it firsthand because I actually had a full-service seed fertilizer chemical customer application business that I started in 1994 as a part of helping people reduce their dependency
on the synthetic inputs. And so as a seed dealer, I saw the aggressive and even abusive marketing campaign that was implemented by one main company. Well, the farmers were, they were belittled if they weren't trying it or they were told they were missing out on yield. So a lot of them did it unwillingly, but enough of them did it cautiously.
and segregated to grain. And we started getting input back from specifically hog producers that were feeding the BT corn and then the soybean meal made out of the round-up ready soybeans to their animals. And they were seeing consistent digestive results and consistent reproductive results. So I was blessed to be connected with Dr. Judy Carman, a scientist from Australia.
And in 2008, we took 168 pigs right off their mother, split them evenly by sex and by weight, drew numbers out of the hat, and fed them for their lifetime as a meat animal, non-GMO corn and soy and GMO corn and soy. And I didn't, you know, I wasn't a scientist, but I was, some of my scientist friends called me a,
citizen scientist or you know a front-line scientist I don't I I'm I'm curious I'm I'm a student of the soil okay I'm blessed to work one of the scientists I was blessed to work with was dr. Arpad Pustai I started working with him 2003 and he's literally the first scientist in the world that did a sound study on a GMO crop
When we had the protocol put together for our pig study, I sent it to him and he said, you have to weigh these pigs every week. I said, well, we'll weigh them into the nursery. We'll weigh them out of the nursery and we'll them when we're done. He said, no, you will weigh them every week. I said, Dr. Pustay, this is the real world. It's not a laboratory. He said, you will weigh them every week. And I said, okay, we'll figure it out. What was the best thing that could happen to us? It wasn't anything we could mention in the study.
because we didn't anticipate the result that we saw. So we didn't have a protocol in place to document it. But the two statistical findings of the study were there was a 260 % increased likelihood of severe inflammation in the stomachs of the pigs that ate the GMO feed. For the males, it was a 400 % increase. For the females, it was 220 % increase. And one of my
integrative MD friends told me when I said I couldn't figure out why it was male and female and why we see that same correlation ship in autism for boys that it's higher. And she said, well, look at estrogen and progesterone and you'll have your answer. So the males are more susceptible to the, the severe inflammation in the stomachs, the weight of the uterus of the GM fed female.
was 25 % abnormally heavy. Well, we didn't have the money to do the histological analysis on either the stomachs or the uterus. But we knew going into it that we had reproductive issues and we had digestive issues and we too found two body parts that correlated to that. And Dr. Carmen was elated when she did the statistical analysis and the results came out like they did. But what we didn't anticipate, we weighed those pigs every week.
And they were in pen A, pen B, pen C, and pen D. And their eyes in the same pen. And the people that weighed them didn't know who was fed what, because it was a double-blind study. But they'd run in pen A first. When they were little, we picked them up, put them on a scale, down their number, wrote down their weight. When they got bigger, the gate, run them down the alley. Excuse me.
They go through this simple maze, write down their number, write down their weight. Well, the pigs in pen A and pen B, this was playtime for them. They'd get out, they'd run down here, they'd go through this little circle corral and get on this jiggly thing and then get turned loose and they'd get to run around until they got locked up again. The pigs in pen C and pen D couldn't navigate this simple maze and they did it every week.
Pigs are creatures of habit. And they're smart animals. Yes, they are. They're creatures of habit. They couldn't navigate the simple maze. And as soon as they got in confined quarters, they'd start fighting and biting and picking on one another. When they were back in their normal surroundings, they displayed a level of discontentment. They were never content. They were never happy. Well, which ones do you think were eating the GMO feedstuffs? C and D.
And I asked people the question, Dr. Carmen went on to do two studies on this, which will likely never be published. So I cannot share the results of them. She got crossways with the university for telling the truth about GMOs and somehow they were able to, because she did them studies there, somehow they've been able to keep them from being published. But I just asked people the question. GMO foreign proteins are in
85 % of the processed foods in the grocery store. 1996, before we had that foreign protein and 85 % of the processed foods in the grocery store, how many people did you know, especially children, that were on mood-altering medication for ADD, ADHD, and the like, compared to what it is today with not only 85 plus percent of those processed foods containing that foreign protein from a GMO, along with
who knows what kind of chemical residue, because we've seen behavioral issues documented in horses and cattle where glyphosate residue was subsequently proven to be in the feedstuffs. What's that look like today for the frequency of the mood-altering medication versus what it was then? That is an amazing story. And you were there.
You witnessed or you knew ⁓ enough about was this in your home state that they did these pig things? started the pigs and at my neighbor's place, he had the right facilities. We purchased them from another neighbor. They were in the nursery there, and then we moved them to a unit in South Dakota for the grow finish stage. And then we brought them back to the, the harvest facility eight miles up the road from my place.
And when they were harvested, we removed all of the viscera and we had everything coordinated so that as they came through the, the, the processing line, they were identified. had buckets numbered so that all the viscera went into that. And then we had two licensed practicing veterinarians do the full necropsy work ⁓ over a two day time period. It was a big two days when we, you know, we were doing 80 pigs a day and that was
That was a lot of autopsies to do. Was that reported on? That study was published in 2013. It took five years to get it published because it was so controversial. Well, one is I do, I do feel that we have to, and of course I'm a supplement guy. I've been doing supplements. was 14 years old. I'm, you know, 69 next birthday. We don't have the answer to, can we take something to help us to.
know, detoxified to protect us, but there are, I do feel that the Green Pharmacy on a very across the board basis, and I call it the core four, just doing a multivitamin, doing a probiotic, doing magnesium, doing vitamin D. I know intuitively and with some studies that it may help us to have better resistance and may help us to detox some of that. That's one of my goals is always just building my resistance up so I'm a stronger ⁓ inside and out in order to hopefully
withstand the ravages of aging, which will weaken all of us. I want to talk about, those people who garden, those people who grow a lot of their own foods, just want to have access to something that there is actually no concerns and worries, I want to talk about the fire hawk bio-herbicide. Because when that came across our desk a year,
probably a year ago, I was like, what? How could this be? This makes kind of no sense how this works, but we've had so many people who have used it and they are amazed. They're blown away by how this new liquid ⁓ is creating the gold that they wanna have in their gardens, in their yards, in their this, and they're not worried about their dogs or their cats or their children or anything else. Tell us about Firehawk.
Firehawk is the result of years of research actually by a gentleman who spent the bulk of his career developing supplements and he utilized the technology that he invented for that to increase and enhance the availability and the purity of the products that he was
producing, he took that technology and applied it to developing of the bioherbicide. Which is made from sunflower oil, is that correct? No. The active ingredient in fire hawk is non-anoic acid. Okay. And non-anoic acid is an acid that can be found in many different types of plants, and that being naturally present.
The fire hawk contains a synthesized version of non-anoic acid along with the right natural oil wetting agent and emulsifier package. When you take some of that concentrate and dilute it with water and maintain a homogenous mixture, shake it up good. because oil and water don't like to mix, so you have to make sure it stays mixed.
You spray that on the foliage of the plant and the organic acid then has an effect on the makeup of that plant and allowing the nutrients and the moisture to escape. I remember when I first explained our products to Dr. Rick Haney, a world-renowned soil scientist, he said to me, death by drought. And I said, well, that's as good of ⁓ a...
explanation as I've heard and it's our hypothesis, the hypothesis is that the majority of the beneficial components of that plant are then subsequently returned to the soil. know, anecdotally, where I've used the product in a landscape setting around trees and in the lawn or where have you,
Afterwards, I see positives of, okay, there's earthworm activity there. ⁓ well, that don't happen. And in fact, there's research to document the opposite in the case of glyphosate. Again, the, know, it's probably the most researched herbicide compound that's ever been on the market because it's been
so abundant and it's the yield of the adverse effects that's been demonstrated. about all the TV commercials about the money and the lawsuits against Lipos Gapusate? Is that going anywhere to help change this game? Well, the first legal team that won lawsuits against Monsanto, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was part of that legal team.
And I was blessed to be connected to him by a mutual acquaintance in the end of 2013, started 2014 time period. And Michael Baum is also one of the attorneys of that, the lead effort. And Michael provided me with information from the legal perspective on glyphosate.
a couple years ago when I testified against the attempt in Iowa to put forth legislation to provide chemical companies liability protection against lawsuits. And in the Bellwether case, the judge agreed to Monsanto's motion to bifurcate the trial, where they split the trial into two parts. They had to prove that there was enough evidence that glyphosate does cause Lahn-Hodgkin's lymphoma.
before they could go into the second phase of the trial. It was a unanimous decision on the part of the jury that there was enough science to support that. And the judge said, well, while it's debatable on that issue, he had never witnessed a company that was so, had such blatant ill regard for what damaging effects their company, their products could have on the environment or the people exposed. The judge said that? The judge said that.
That was the Bellwether case, is a legal term for, that was the case that tipped the scale and the balance of the attorney. And that led to $11 billion settlement. That was the first one. There's other ones that have happened and are in the process of happening. But the thing that your listeners should know and be aware of is there's an effort ongoing in
Washington DC and many states now to give these companies liability protection and that can't happen because it number one it violates the Constitution our Seventh Amendment guarantees us a to be able to present grievances in a court of law and ⁓ If they get that protection They have no motivation to stop or improve the product
Scary times, scary times, but I'm very much optimistic that right wins out in the end, but it may take a long time for that usually to happen. Back to Firehawk, just so I don't forget this, people who are out of town, who don't shop at Nutrition World, nutritionw.com, you can order online, because it's not super readily available, but it is seemingly growing big time. And how would they use it? I know there was a little bit of exact directions on how to use this, opposed to the client site.
There that'll be on the box. It shows you look at the label at what species you're trying to deal with, whether it's bigger, little, you know, it'll be juvenile or mature species or woody species. ⁓ You know, your briars, your dewberries, your blackberries, you're going to use a stronger inclusion rate on that. You mix it up with water, you get
Complete coverage of that spray mixture on the foliage of the plant you want to terminate not the roots Well, you can't cover the roots. Yeah, but you want to get complete coverage of the spray mixture on the foliage and If you miss and it's a warm day out you'll see that you missed well you go back and do a little touch-up and you know, we have a video that we try to Give people access to that's it shows you how to mix it
how to apply it right, what happens when you do it right, and what happens if you don't. Because it's not systemic like glyphosate is. Glyphosate you just go, and it's gonna translocate to every part of that plant. It is a contact product, so you need to get the complete coverage to get the performance. And poison ivy and poison oak? It works on both of them. It may require sequential application or applications, but yes, we have a,
a lot of positive feedback from customers on the poison ivy and poison oak and the English ivy. ⁓ I've, I've used it on all of those and no harm to us. You have to dot your eyes and cross your teeth when you're working with a concentrate. ⁓ The minimum PPE PPE means personal protective equipment. According to every EPA label.
The minimum PPE, personal protective equipment that you need to have to spray any herbicide or weed killer is this. You cover your skin, you cover your hands, you cover your eyes. So that means you're gonna have a long sleeve shirt, you're gonna have pants, you're gonna have gloves, you're gonna have goggles. It's a strong concentrate. You on the firehawk,
you will see a danger word on the label. That's because you do not want to get that in your eye. But if you have the PPE, you have your skin covered, have your eyes covered, you're fine. It's not gonna hurt you. ⁓ And the ready to use version doesn't even carry that. Same, and because it's not concentrated, it's already diluted.
There's a little bit of, let's say EPA wasn't the company's friend when they put that, because technically the ready to use is the sprayed version, but the concentrate isn't. But once the concentrate is diluted, it's the sprayed version. But I've learned that common sense doesn't apply when a regulatory agency is involved.
And lastly, you know, I know I talk a lot about on my radio show, Vital Health Radio, I've been doing over eight years. And we talk a lot about the increase in disease around golf courses. Are golf courses using glyphosate most of the time to keep their golf courses looking so great? I'm just curious. I didn't know that answer. Golf courses are probably the source of some of the highest pesticide use overall. Yeah.
You know, because
The golf course managers are doing their job to the utmost of their ability for what they need to provide their customers. But it is totally contrary to how grass should grow in nature. And as a result, they have to use inputs, inputs, inputs, unless they see the light and get on a well-designed holistic
natural production model, which there are out there and very, very effective. But that's not widely known regrettably. So because of how they have to treat that grass to keep it green, it causes a lot of adverse effects in that soil. So they're using fungicides and they're using insecticides and they're using a host of sides. Well, you know what a side is? It's not
fries with your burger, it's designed to kill something. So just that pesticide use and I haven't read the study yet, but I just saw it this morning where Dr. Skinner out of Washington State University did a study on a fungicide. I don't even know which fungicide it was. I look forward to reading that study. But he did a multi-generational study where he purposely
exposed pregnant rats to that fungicide. How many generations you think it affected? Well, I know multiple. I'm sure. How many? 20 on the female side and 23 on the male side. So we are totally on the forefront of fully understanding the potential effect of the sites.
I follow Dr. Zach Bush, he's on Instagram and Facebook and he speaks so much about the, you know, not, he's certainly not hopeless, but the way that if, if we don't turn the corner of this, the life in the soil is leaving. And when the life of a soil and you're the student of the soil, uh, you understand that the life of the soil is the life of our humans and our pets and our plants. And that is a cyclical, magical equation for longevity and health that
I've talked to my daughter sometimes about the fact that we see people who don't take good care of themselves, but they're 60, 70, and 80, and 90. We grew up in a different world back then. Now, we did have pesticides, there's no doubt, but we didn't have the 5 Gs and we didn't have this. You multiply one on top of the other and top of the other. I'm amazed we're even walking around most of the time, but what a wonderful, wonderful ⁓ invention, fire hawk herbicide.
with my grandkids, it just feels nice knowing that my daughter is not going to spray any of the sides around her house. And they're going to, they walk barefoot all the time. Just imagine the amount of, of chemical gets on a kid's feet when they're walking barefoot. And then it gives them the bite. So I love your passion. I love what you're doing for the world and what a great legacy. And thank you for joining me today for this information. Any last words you'd like to leave people with? I want to.
Expand on what you just said because it makes so much sense that people don't think about dr. Michelle Perro is ⁓ Dear friend of mine and in my opinion one of the best integrative practitioners in pediatric medicine that our country has known and She has seen the damaging effects of the GMOs and the glyphosate firsthand in the kids
You made the comment about the older people not taking care of themselves and why they're as good healthy as they are. Well, guess what? They all grew up eating organic food, but it wasn't called that because if they're old enough, there was no pesticides used. And the importance of that healthy start, you know, look at the book, stolen future by Theo Coburn and she demonstrates the ill effects of the hormone.
disruptor or the synthetic chemicals to the damage of the fetus in the womb. Or the Skinner studies where the synthetic chemicals can have the multi-generational effect. There's no one that deserves a higher level protection than the children right now. We need to do everything we can for them because like you say, we're bombarded from the air, from the water, from the food, from wherever.
We have to do everything we can to give them the best foundation for a solid, healthy immune system so that they can grow up and have a ⁓ positive life. Have a chance at health. And if we can just turn some of the things from the negative to the positive in your own household, that's the world that you can control. You can't really control outside of that. But again, buying non-GMO food is a proper step.
buying organic food, another proper step. doesn't guarantee everything, but it puts the odds in your court. ⁓ And then buying, you know, even the meat products, making sure you kind of know where the farmer, what they fed the chickens and the cows and all the different meats. I deer hunt and also get eggs ⁓ from our local farmers who...
tell me what they feed them and they're not GMO and they give them clean water and they get sunshine. It all filters down to the life of the soil is the life of our spirit. So ⁓ wonderful travels, my friend. And you are hero in my ⁓ definition of a hero. I'm just trying to do my part. I figure the good Lord put me on this trail for a reason and I'm trying to do my part. Well, what a great legacy. Thank you for joining us on the Hellistic Navigator today.
greatly appreciate the opportunity. Thank you.